Quote from: El Unicornio, mang on October 10, 2023, 11:31:50 AMI bloody loved him when I was a kid, even wrote in to ask if I could "be a Mr. Last night around the same time as BBC1 had the sound of Saville unfastening his belt and leaving the rest to the imagination ITV had Sutcliffe receiving the same from a prozzie and leaving a lot less to the imagination.Īnd the glass eye thing is true, I remember it coming out in the investigation, he had them made into rings and gave them to his closest perv pals. If you think it's bad then don't watch the Sutcliffe thing on ITV, it's worse. Feared it would happen with this, and it has. Happened before with dramatizations like this. You could never show him fucking corpses or stealing the dead's glass eyes or the like as he more than likely did, so the more muted versions of what's shown seem unbelievable and cast needless doubt in people's eyes on the deeper, grislier facts. Damaging to the testimonies of his victims, even, I'd argue - in the wake of the sheer decrepitude of what went on, the serious dramatizations come across as farcical and cloud the truth of the events. Quote from: H-O-W-L on October 10, 2023, 01:39:32 PMDropped it during episode 2. You did not have David Bailey wanting to snap his fizzog etc. Admittedly I wasn't around in the 60s but I honestly don't get the impression that he was every truly liked by many of the public at any point in his career, and he was definitely never a genuine 60s pop culture icon. Outwith the actual performers, the 60s pop world at the DJ/manager/A&R/producer end was full of a rogues gallery of older folks on the variant spectra of eccentrics, would be avuncular types, self publicising chancers and criminals so I don't think he necessarily stood out as singularly unusual in that sphere. He just inveigled his way into that world. That's the thing though, I really don't think he did resonate or appeal to the youth of the 60s at all. There's something genuinely interesting in how this freakish nightmare man managed to appeal to so many, but the programme seems fearful of portraying him as too charismatic lest it appear to condone him. The Reckoning's way of showing this is to just have characters state "Everyone loves you Jimmy!" as the same shot of swivelling 1960s teenagers plays for the fourth time while Coogan gives a Madame Tussauds stare. Quote from: Earnest Sexpot on October 10, 2023, 02:51:56 PMThe appeal of Savile at any point in his career is lost on me, perhaps his eccentricities had a certain magnetism, but clearly he resonated with a lot of young people at the time. The whole thing comes off as muddled, unenlightening, gutless, bizarrely self-absolving, and it's shot like a Scandinavian crime drama for some reason, just a heap of bad ideas. It's just a world populated by people who exist to say "Jimmy you're marvellous" because of some appealing qualities we never see, or people who cock an eyebrow at him because they know what a dirty rotter he really is, followed by the survivors of his assaults, who are given a similarly insulting level of flat characterisation. The appeal of Savile at any point in his career is lost on me, perhaps his eccentricities had a certain magnetism, but clearly he resonated with a lot of young people at the time. He comes across like he's only heard about Savile 15 minutes ago, and only heard bad things. evil?" followed by a simpering Blue Steel look. This just comes across as inept unfortunately, Coogan's performance is genuinely interesting and beyond obvious caricature, but the whole thing seems to take place in a cartoon world.įrom the offset, the superfan interviewer is treating Jimmy with suspicion, never expressing his fandom, never trying to appease or establish a rapport with him, simply asking things like "Are you maybe.
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